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PostSubject: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:56 pm

[b]PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS DOCTOR. SHE HAS EXTORTED MONEY AND HAS HELD OUR BABY HOSTAGE. SHE HAS HINDERED US GETTING OUR EXIT VISA. SHE HAS ADDED AN EQUIVALENT OF US$12,000 TO OUR PACKAGE AND HAS LIED TO US. SHE IS KEEPING OUR SURROGATE FROM SPEAKING TO THE POLICE. SHE IS EVIL, IMMORAL, A CHEAT AND A LIAR. I HAVE EVIDENCE OF ALL I SAY. PLEASE READ A SUMMARY OF OUR STORY BELOW THAT WAS SENT TO MANY NEWSPAPERS WHILE WE WERE IN INDIA. THE FULL STORY IS LOCATED IN THE POST "NIGHTMARE WITH SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE". LOOK FOR ARTICLES REGARDING OUR STORY AT SOME U.S., AUSTRALIAN, EUROPEAN AND UK PUBLICATIONS SOON!

A FULL-LENGTH DOCUMENTARY FILM SHOWING OUR STORY WILL ALSO BE DISTRIBUTED WORLDWIDE!!!

THIS LETTER IS GOING TO ALL THE MEDIA OUTLETS. I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE. PLEASE BELIEVE THAT I AM TRYING TO HELP OTHER IPS. ALSO, WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT OTHER COMPLAINTS REGARDING TAINTED MEDICINE, SHODDY IVF WORK (SHE DID IVF ON A WOMAN WHO HAD A VAGINAL INFECTION!!! AND HAS HAD COUNTLESS NEGATIVE RESULTS, PROBABLY BELOW 25% AS I SENT 6 COUPLES TO HER AND NONE GOT PREGNANT USING THEIR OWN EGGS) AND OTHER CASES WHERE SHE EXTORTED MONEY FROM OTHER INTERNATIONAL COUPLES.

I AM ALSO SENDING LETTERS TO ICMR, FOGSI AND OTHERS (ORGANIZATIONS IN INDIA) TO LET THESE ORGANIZATIONS KNOW ABOUT THIS SO-CALLED DOCTOR. I ALSO PLAN TO WRITE TO HAMMERSMITH HOSPITAL IN LONDON AND THE AUSTRALIAN AUTHORITIES AS SHE IS WORKING ILLEGALLY WITH MEGAN WHO IS EARNING MONEY OFF HER REFERRALS.

I AM VERY SORRY TO HAVE RECOMMENDED THIS WITCH DOCTOR. I WON'T EVEN CALL HER A REAL DOCTOR. SHE'S ABSOLUTELY RUTHLESS AND GREEDY AND JUST WANTS YOUR WESTERN MONEY. DON'T BE THE NEXT CASH COW FOR HER!!! I REFUSE TO BE QUIET AND WILL LET THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW WHAT SHE HAS DONE TO US! WE WERE STUCK IN INDIA FOR A TOTAL OF 6 WEEKS AND HAD TO PAY AN EXORBITANT FEE TO GET OUT OF INDIA, BUT WE ARE FINALLY HOME.

WARNING!!!! PLEASE BEWARE OF SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR!!!!! SPREAD THE WORD AND LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR IVF AND SURROGACY!!!!!



TO: xxx Newspaper

To Whom it May Concern:
We are writing to tell you about our dire situation here in New Delhi, as we are very distressed and frightened over the events that took place here.

I am American and my husband is Swedish, but we both reside in Canada. We came to India to hire a surrogate mother, as I am unable to carry a child. We then asked Dr. Shivani Sachdev-Gour of SCI Healthcare in New Delhi to arrange for IVF and surrogacy. At first, our relationship was fine and I was even helping to refer many international couples to her. She agreed to pay us a referral fee of 100,000 Rs per case. In addition, she had also promised us a special discounted price of 555,000 Rs for our IVF/surrogacy package to be nice because we were helping her surrogacy business. Instead of paying us the referral fees in cash, she said that she would deduct the referral fees from our account since we owed her 555,000 Rs for our own case. Our IVF succeeded, and our surrogate became pregnant with our child. We then planned our trip to India to pick up our baby.

All went well up until 3 weeks before our baby was born. Ms. Sachdev-Gour demanded in excess of 350,000 Rs more than what she said our package price was. We were astonished at this because she had not kept her word and we even have e-mail evidence from her saying that our package price was only 555,000 Rs. She continues to insist a different price package. We felt extremely upset about this because she brought this up only 3 weeks before our baby was due. We also felt frightened by her because our baby and surrogate are under her care and she is taking advantage of this by asking for more money during this vulnerable time. We feel she is extorting as much money as she can from us, as we will have no other choice but to comply to her demands. What she doesn’t realize is that I don’t intend to keep quiet and feel everyone should be warned of doctors like her who are so greedy that they will take advantage of the foreign intended parents who have no one to help them here in India. I am lucky that I do have a lawyer here in New Delhi (Mr. Sunil Agrawal) who is helping us with this situation. However, it has been a nightmare since we got here in India. It has involved extortion and meetings with the police, surrogate’s husband, and the doctor. We are very unhappy and uncomfortable with these shady dealings. We feel that we are stuck here, even though we have done everything legitimately and signed original contracts with our lawyer, the surrogate and the doctor. We also know that our accounts are clear and that we have e-mail evidence of our dealings, our original birth certificate and Swedish passport to prove that we have done everything in our power properly and ethically.

Our baby was born September 15 and we are still in India. We got a Swedish passport for our baby the last week in September, but then we needed to apply for an exit visa from the MHA (Ministry of Home Affairs) and FRRO (Foreigner’s Regional Registration Office). The MHA asked for an inquiry and said that this is required for all surrogacy cases in order to prevent intended parents from leaving the country without fully paying the surrogate and having genuine documents. The problem with this scenario, however, is that the doctor has a lot of power in preventing the FRRO from knowing the truth, since the intended parents (IPs) must pay the doctor and the doctor pays the surrogate on the intended parents’ behalf. If the relationship between the doctor and IPs sour, then the doctor can prevent the IPs from getting an exit visa by hindering or falsifying information about the surrogate to the FRRO. We are now experiencing this with Ms. Sachdev-Gour because she is not cooperating with us or the police to get us our exit visa. She is basically holding us hostage here in India by these false fees and unfair charges.

She has filed a complaint with the local police that we have not paid our dues, when in fact, we have more than paid our dues. We have also filed a complaint to the police, but, unfortunately, no action was taken. Our package price is 555,000 Rs and we have referred 6 clients (so a total of 600,000 Rs). We have also paid an additional 50,000 Rs cash for the C-section delivery of our baby, in which we have a receipt. Ms. Sachdev-Gour in fact owes us money (95,000 Rs), but we don’t care to get this money back, only that we want our exit visa for our baby so we can leave India. On top of that, she will neither pay the surrogate or Phoenix hospital the money we have already paid to her by way of referral fees or cash payment. It is us who is being cheated by her. She has now written an additional bill where we now supposedly owe her over 600,000 Rs for fees that are made up and were not agreed upon. We have spoken to the owner of Phoenix Hospital (Dr. Deepak Seghal) where our baby was born and showed him these bills. He has told us the true prices for the delivery of the baby, and they are nowhere near what Ms. Sachdev-Gour is charging. She is basically taking advantage of Western couples because she thinks she has the power over them and that we have unlimited supply of money. I’m afraid that she probably has extorted money from many other couples, as this is probably not the first time she has done this.

Right now, we are at the mercy of the police investigation and are still stuck in Delhi waiting for the FRRO’s police report. We have said that we are willing to pay whatever is due as long as it is fair, legitimate and not in contradiction to our agreed package. Because the FRRO still hasn’t approved our baby’s exit visa, we feel we are getting nowhere. We decided we needed to get additional media help to voice our agony over this so that others are warned about the doctor and clinics in India and know about the incredible difficulties and unethical dealings one faces here in India when doing surrogacy.

We have heard around the Internet that there are other couples also complaining of Ms. Sachdev-Gour but no-one has stood up to her. This is not just an exception but a common problem with many other foreign couples with other doctors/clinics, where the doctor can increase the prices and threaten harm or hindrance in obtaining their children. We feel that we should say something and let the media know about this situation as this is a terrible tragedy to keep parents from rightfully bringing their babies back to their home country. We hope you can write our story in your newspaper to help put a stop to the unbelievable corruption, greed and extortion that takes place in surrogacy, especially since many foreigners from Western countries are flocking to India to do just this. Human beings are involved, and these kinds of happenings will forever tarnish the view of India if this kind of madness doesn’t stop.

Please let me know if you need any additional information or contact information. Feel free to contact us at any time. Thank you for your attention.


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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:13 am

Hi,
I understand your situation and that you must be angry. However, by publishing this to the press what happens for the rest of us that are waiting for babies through this clinic. What will your actions result in ? Rather than publishing it openly in newspapers etc, maybe it is better to just keep it to the forum for the sake of others who are expecting children ????. I am not criticizing I am just concerned ? Can you publish on the forum any evidence that you have of the Dr's behavior ?
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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:42 am

I'm sorry, I cannot keep quiet. Too many couples have done that before me and shut up and paid the price. I am way too brazen to let a person like this get away with what she has done.

If you have children going to be born, it's better to know what this woman is capable of than to have to face the same when you get to India. I don't see how keeping it quiet is going to make things better for anyone.

It is also too late, a full-length documentary film is being made and several major newspapers have my story. They are investigating Shivani as we speak. The surrogacy world in India is shady as hell, and if you don't want to know the truth, I am not sure you would be ready to face India and all its corruption.

If you decide to still go with Shivani, go at your own risk. But I for one am not keeping quiet and letting this evil "doctor" continue to victimize IPs. You do realize she's taking advantage because we are supposedly "rich"? The purpose of this forum is to show all sides of surrogacy and when things go very wrong....

About the evidence - I have it captured on film. The movie will come out beginning of 2011 and you can judge for yourself. I couldn't make it up even if I wanted to!
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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:00 am

Hi Dolly Rocker
We went to Dr S and were very happy with her even though we did not get pregnant. There are many who have had success with Dr S and were happy - suggest you check out amani and bob surrogacy blog. There are others on her blog list who have had success. Also check out globaldoctoroptions.com they do a review and list of blogs for all the clinics and you can compare and contrast. Take care - it is a tough journey no matter what clinic you choose Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:11 pm

Amani is Shivani's henchwoman, so be wary of what you believe on her blog. Amani, or Megan, has a personal vendetta on me and has told countless lies about me and Dr. Shivani. Be forewarned. Megan has an incentive to defend Shivani as she still earns a great deal of money from her and has covered up a lot of the negative stories that have come out about Shivani.

Karen, you're not the only one who has had a negative result. I have sent many people there before, unfortunately, and none of them got pregnant. It makes me wonder about her so called succcess rates. You should question her track record for sure. Besides, no doctor is worth the torture of having your baby withheld from you. Karen luckily did not have the chance to experience how horrible Shivani is since she didn't get very far with her. I went through the entire thing, and others have too and have had similar nightmares. Shivani was nice at first until she showed her true colors. She's a vindictive, greedy person and I would stay far, far away... if you won't pay her extortion fees at the end, she'll try to keep your baby away from you, and that's just plain evil.
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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:25 am

I would give my left arm to have gone through any experience with Shivani because at the end of the day - SHIVANI gave you and others your baby!!!!!!! THAT IS THE ISSUE!!!!!

And equally there have been many who did get pregnant and as with every surrogacy clinic there is good and bad. However, it is up to each of us to look at the facts and go with our own beliefs. Many of us have looked at other clinics who are successful but there have been couples who did not have success and became very anti those clinics. That seems to be the way it goes with surrogacy. If all goes well they are the best clinic in the world, however if something goes awry then there are problems with that clinic, etc....

When I first began speaking with you you had issues with cleanliness, etc at Dr Patel's. Others had issues with SI that is why others were looking for alternatives to those clinics. Basically, what I am saying is that all people need to read EVERYONE's story and then decide on their own who is the best clinic for them to work with.

You look at Amani as Shivani's henchwoman- I however have found her very helpful and supportive. You bash Amani as having an incentive. However, You also receive a consulting fee for sending patients to certain clinics as does Crystal---that is your decision and also your incentive.

I have spoke to quite a few people whom are home with their babies safe and sound and cannot thank Shivani enough for what she has done for them. Dolly Rocker the main thing is do not take my opinion or her opinion as gospel ---look at all the clinics out there and all the blogs out there and decide from there. Contact people and see what their experiences are and then make a decision.

hope your little one is doing well - you are one of the lucky ones whose dream came to fruition. The rest of us are still waiting.

Best wishes to you Dolly Rocker and others looking into this process.

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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:55 am

Karen, you are very desperate if you're willing to go through what we went through. You are missing the point entirely. A doctor who withholds the child from the parents for money IS THE ISSUE. It is evil, immoral, and it is people like you that allow doctors to continue their extortion because you're so willing to have a child at any cost. If you're okay with that, I have a big problem with your opinion.

I have been open and transparent from day 1 about referrals, and see nothing wrong with it as long as people are aware of it AND it is legal. In Australia, what Amani is doing is criminal within her country and she bashes people for doing it when she does it herself. I find that pretty hypocritical.

Yes, I bash Amani because she has called me names (called me Mongrol on her board), has attacked Americans for deserving 9/11, relentlessly attacked other clinics unfairly, attacked other people for getting referral fees (Ms. R) but gets it herself, defended a "doctor" who has extorted money and overcharged people for NICU (I call $8000 for 2 weeks in NICU a bit excessive!), defended Shivani who tried to get a baby out only 1 day after it was born to keep away from its parents, defended Shivani when she did IVF on a woman with a vaginal infection, and defended Shivani when she used faulty medicines on patients (source from a pharmaceutical company). Shivani got countless negatives and provided terrible service to countless references that have written me personally after this tragedy.

Please do not promote Amani or Shivani on this board, as I will not support their malicious threats and criminal activity in this forum. It no longer is talking about negative stories, but about criminals and I won't harbor such people or activities...

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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:13 pm

A short radio interview was done on our horrific story and Shivani is also being interviewed. She of course denies any wrongdoing... but lies and says that it is up to the embassy to permit us a passport. This is not true, as ALL babies require an exit visa from the INDIAN authorities to get out of India, and this is the process she hindered.

Also, she claims that some of her surrogates are well-educated and middle class, but the interviewer was denied access to interview the surrogates she claims as "educated". They are poor, frail and very thin women from villages outside Delhi. Shivani also runs a shady operation with the surrogates, as their "coordinators" are rough looking pimp-like thugs who get a large cut of the surrogate fee. We witnessed that while in India.

Here's the interview (press the Play button on the bar above the pictures of surrogate and Dr. Khanna):

http://www.rnw.nl/english/radioshow/babies-order
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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:31 pm

Update: We heard from Dr. Seghal, the owner of Phoenix Hospital where Shivani performs IVF and delivery of the babies. Dr. Seghal has informed us that he has kicked Shivani out of their hospital due to many complaints on her. The news is that she is heading back to Mumbai, where she is originally from.

According to some reliable sources, Shivani has many enemies in the IVF field in Mumbai including the infamous Dr. Pai at Lilivati Hospital and other clinics. She is also supposedly working with Megan from Australia to recruit more foreign couples. I have already reported Megan to authorities in Australia regarding her elicit and illegal trade with Shivani. Please beware of her and Shivani, as they are trouble and Delhi found out the hard way....

What goes around comes around... Karma is a bitch.
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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:21 pm

Alas, our story about the awful things this "Dr." Shivani did to us is in the LA Times, making it to the front cover! I am very happy that our story is out, and has legitimized everything I have said about this woman and her highly unethical and unscrupulous ways because LA Times does their research and fact checks everything.

Here's the link:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-india-surrogacy-20110418,0,1072839,full.story
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PostSubject: Re: *WARNING ON SHIVANI SACHDEV-GOUR AT SCI HEALTHCARE*   Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:06 pm

I find this so ironic, after being bullied by Amani (Megan), Shivani's personal attack dog for years! And now, Amani is turning the tables on Shivani. Megan is a hypocrite, liar, manipulator, evildoer, greed incarnate, bully, and is mentally unstable. Apparently, all the things she has cursed me out for, she's complaining about herself with Shivani! What a joke of a person Megan turned out to be! She literally gave me hell for accusing her precious Shivani of the following: overcharging, extortion, surrogate mishandling, corruption, shoddy IVF work and unprofessionalism and it ALL ENDED UP BEING TRUE! Can you believe the audacity of these women. They are dirtier than any politics in India because they are dealing with human life. For shame on them for being this way, I don't even feel sorry for Megan or her followers as I tried hard to warn them with my article and telling the world. I TOLD YOU GUYS SO!!!!

Here's the L.A. Times article again:
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/18/world/la-fg-india-surrogacy-20110418

Read the blog post that Amani wrote here:
http://amaniandbobsurrogacy.blogspot.ca/2013/10/why-i-left-sci-healthcare-dr-shivani.html

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Further update, MAY 2013 STATS - Why I left SCI Healthcare, Dr Shivani, Delhi India

I never felt I would ever have to write this blog post. I know a lot of you love her, I did too, but no more. I decided to leave comments open, I have had many interesting comments, to this blog and many emails to me personally. Thanks to those who have supported me in making this very hard decision to go public, it was your encouragement that allowed me to do this. To the trolls, (20% of the comments and no emails direct) if you want to send personal attacks, 1. didn't read your comment in full, first negative word I binned it, and 2. if you really want to be part of the solution and not the problem, you have my email address.

I am going to make a post to answer some of the questions as to my motivation as to why i wrote this post, that is for another post. Please keep in mind, I don't need to justify myself, but I will, and only because you asked.

I worked with SCI Healthcare from 2009, til early 2013. When I started working with this doctor, she was brilliant. My babies Tony and Mishali were born through her medical care, and forever I will be happy about this. Grateful? Now? No.To Rani and Mithu who carried my babies? Yes, To Shivani? No, Why no? Because repeated requests to be in touch with Rani and Mithu, I have been denied.

In March 2013 I left SCI Healthcare because of numerous reports of over-charging. I left because of the incredibly high rate of surrogate hospitalisations, which gouged clients for money, but for which were never receipted to the client. I left because I did not believe SCI was actually doing FET for clients who were gay. single de facto, and I left because they were quoting pregnancy stats they I personally collated over years, that they relied upon to bring clients in, that were no longer true. I left because they were telling clients their surogates lived in accommodation, when they didn't, I left because they charged clients for services never given, and I left because when anyone quesstioned an account, or a medivsl report, or dared to ask about the progress of their pregnancy, Shivani personally got involved and was abusive to clients, accused clients of not caring about their surrogates, and then I had to deal with the emotions of the shattered IPs.

SCI Healthcare and Dr Shivani Sachdev Gour, her husband Dr Vishal Dutt Gour, and their primary client manager, Margarida Maia, South Australia, are now all resting on their laurels. They are feeding you bullshit. It's great to see the babies being born, and promoting the positive, but where are the new pregnancy announcements? When will the baby births run out? Very soon.

Here is the truth about SCI Healthcare's actual stats now, not the old ones I collated from 2009, which I was very proud of. To be updated while I count the actual cycle numbers.

MARCH 2013 - Total cycles: 46
Total fresh egg collections with egg donor: 2
Positive - 5
Negative - 16
Chemical - 3

Total FET from egg donor cycle - 18
Positive - 5
Negative - 8
Chemical - 5

Total fresh egg collection from self-cycle: 3
Positive -
Negative - 3
Chemical

Total FET from self-cycle: 1
Positive
Negative - 1
Chemical

APRIL, 2013 - 26 cycles
Total fresh egg collections with egg donor: 6
Positive - 1
Negative –3
Chemical –2

Total FET from egg donor cycle: 16
Positive – 2
Negative –14
Chemical

Total fresh egg collection from self-cycle: 3
Positive - 1
Negative - 2
Chemical

Total FET from self-cycle: 1
Positive
Negative - 1
Chemical

MAY 2013
Total : 38

Total fresh egg collections with egg donor: 12
Positive - 4
Negative - 8
Chemical – 0
Miscarriage - 2

Total FET from egg donor cycle - 14
Positive - 4
Negative - 10
Chemical - 1

Total fresh egg collection from self-cycle: 4
Positive - 2
Negative - 2
Chemical
Results not known: 8
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